DL Event; how to make a "Republican" out of a "Liberal"

Submitted by emoticon on Fri, 08/18/2006 - 10:22pm.

I went to the Drinking Liberally event tonight at Piper Down. I had called Megan Risbon to meet me there, and I also hoped to see my son there as well. Last time I had gone to one of the DL Friday night events, was when Marcos of DailyKos came to town. I had a great time and had no reason to have any other expectations.

The topic was "Education" and the speaker was Pat Rusk, who is the former President of the Utah Education Association.

I am here to publicly state that the people who were at DL tonight were uninviting, unwelcoming, and cliqueish. I have had more positive response to my presence at the Legionaires meeting.

The "Liberals" at this event were anything but "liberal" in the intent of the word.

These folks were judgemental to statements made which disagreed with their stance. My son's statements about public schools and private schools from his own experience were met with "You sound Republican." (from a man named "John" who was wearing a bright red "Harvard Club" shirt, sitting across the patio.)

Now, I'm just as guilty as Harvard-John was in using the term "Republican" as a pejorative. However, my retort that the "Democratic Party is a party of inclusiveness, including all points of view" was ignored.

Pat spoke using both facts and passion about the need for a change in our Legislature's priorites. Education needs to be funded. Vouchers and Private Schools are evil. She brought a book full of facts and evidence to show that although Utah has one of the highest levels of success on testing, they are also paying their teachers at one of the lowest rates in the United States. Good teachers are leaving, and good teachers cannot be recruited.

As the majority of the group nodded their heads and agreed that things were horrible for Utah's students, the idea that we should give more money to the public school system was the solution de jour.

Gee, can I still be a Democrat if I disagree with the solution? Can I still be a "liberal" if I have other ideas about the education system than those of the attendees?

I have more than 20 years of experience and contact with the educational system in Utah, as a parent, a special education teacher and a psychotherapist. And I'm here to say that I think that any student deviating from the mean or average is S.O.L. in this system.

I wish we had more than simplistic solutions; more money, higher pay (more money) and smaller classrooms.

But this is digression, my views on the public school system come from my own experiences, so I am willing to admit that they might be skewed.

However, the people (with one or two exceptions) at tonight's event were boors.

What a contrast to Democracy for Utah meetings! "Regulars" and "Newbies" alike are treated with respect and inclusion.
Kristie, Dave and June are welcoming to new people who come to meetings. Carrie sets the tone of giving our meetings an atmosphere of safety, so that one can disagree with another, without name calling and categorizing.

I note that "Drinking Liberally" is listed under "Progressive Groups". People like this give "progressives" a bad name.

Another perspective

#359 On Sat, 11/11/2006 11:52am John Lee said,

Wow.

I'm sorry I missed the event that you attended, but I had heard from several members that they were somewhat disappointed by how the evening went as well. Every group has a vocal member or two that can color an opinion of the group that that does not reflect the group as a whole.

My experience with Drinking Liberally could not have been more different. With regard to using "republican" as a pejorative, last night we welcomed a registered republican who has attended several nights at Piper Down. Any other D4U folk who want to join me at Piper Down, send me an email to make sure that we get there on the same night. I don't attend every week, but the Folk at DL are freindly and inviting.

Personally, I think that improving the teacher to student ratio and retaining teachers ought to be a stated goal for Democracy for Utah, and think that a dissent from this opinion would be a minority view in our group as well. I hope that you don't consider my opinion to be indicative of a cliquish attitude.

NEVER!!

#364 On Sun, 11/12/2006 6:38pm emoticon said,

Although you are a passionate man, with clear views, I would never ever label you as "cliquish"...I think I might have been having a bad night and was feeling sorry for myself. But, damn, I'm a good writer, aren't I??

Reducing class size & keeping good teachers is a start...

#365 On Sun, 11/12/2006 6:48pm UtahOwl said,

but it's more true than false that kids who "deviate" from "normal" in almost any way are SOL in the system in Salt Lake City, Granite or Jordan, and the situation is much worse elsewhere in the state. I think it has something to do with a general assumption that moms should stay home and be topnotch backup educators. All very well, unless
- you are among the working poor
- your kid has Tourette's, a serious learning disability, or some other difference that REALLY gets in the way of assembly-line learning
...or you just think "public schools" should try their best to produce an educated electorate.
I think Emoticon is calling for a longer-term plan with broader objectives - yes? Y'know...the Vision Thingie.

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